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How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

12.06.2025 04:38

How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Why cant a narcissist admit when they are wrong?

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Why are people nowadays so into anal sex?

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Why do most men who date ugly women brag like it's some big accomplishment, when any guy can pull an ugly woman?

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

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There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

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One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

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ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

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ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

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ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

NOW…

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

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Kabir (a weaver)

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

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ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Now here in this verse

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

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There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

I am like a fish out of water,

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

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Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

CONCLUSION:

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

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ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

Sain (a barber)

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

then who is there to know what happens without?

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||